I've read the BK2
axle mod in the tech section and installed them per the write up using
Losi 3016 spacers for the "3/32 collars" as others have
done. However, there seems to be a noticable amount of clearance
remaining allowing the axle to slide in and out. Do I need to use the
2 AE shims also? Even so, there is more clearance than 2 shims.
If you recommend installing the two shims, which side do you recommend
- inboard or out? I remember quite a bit of this movement on the
original AE B4 setup with 2 outside shim/washers, but the BK2 seems to
be a bit more. Please correct me if I'm wrong -- Regardless of the
amount of clearance/slack, I'm assuming that when the wheel nut is
tightened, any clearance is "taken up" and allows the roll
pin to engage deeper into the wheel slot.
Yes, you'll still need
the shims on the outside, as well. With the BKII axles you want to add
.100" and only .100" of spacers inside the hub, which is the
width of those Losi 3016 spacers. That done, the outer drive pin is in
the correct width to push the rear of the car to the maximum allowed
width, and the inside is far enough in that B4 cvd's can give as much
droop as you want.
Personally, I put the Losi spacers inside and then just added shims as
needed outside to take up the slack on the axle; I don't know how that
compares to the regular AE shims.
This may seem
trivial to some, but I thought I should ask about the following issue
to clear everything up on the new 4 gear US Track setup. What
camber link and ball cup combo are you using on the rear to achieve
the 1 degree of negative camber? I ask this as the standard AE
7230 ball cups and AE 6263/1406* 2.00" turnbuckles do not shorten
enough with out running out of threads. Are you simply cutting down
the ballcups or using a shorter turnbuckle? I would also think
that if one were to use the E-Speed extenders, an even shorter
turnbuckle would be needed. Please advise.
I use (and have used from
the very beginning with my X - 6) Lunsford turnbuckles, and
unfortunately not any particular set. I use Losi's Grey HD ballcups all
around. Perhaps to the slight detriment of the Family, I just have a bag
in my parts box with like 30 or so random turnbuckles collected over the
years, and so when building a car I just pick out the ones I want and
put them on. The ones on there are pretty short, in fact, I
believe they may be the steering turnbuckles we use for our X - 5.
I'm at school at the moment, if I remember I'll take a quick measurement
tonight. As for the E-Speed hangers, I actually keep two sets of rear
camber links built; one short set for regular use and then one
super-short set for use with the hangers.
With the lunsford turnbuckles and losi ballcups, I don't cut down the
ballcups at all, even if I have to shorten them up to the point where
the threads have disappeared (slightly). Obviously you can't go
overboard, but if I need to go from 0 to -1 deg. of camber and there
aren't any threads showing, I don't worry but just tighten them up
further.
Also, I am observing
the need for a large amount of preload on the front associated shocks
with the black springs to achieve the desired ride height. Are
the AE 8232 black springs the correct springs to use on the new
associated setup?
Yeah, especially with the
two turn extension, those spring collars are pretty far down there.
And finally, would
you have any objections to drilling an additional inboard hole on the
1st generation shock tower to achieve the #2 top position of the rear
shocks on the 4 gear base setup with the CF tower? It seems to
me that this would work as I've read that the outer two holes were
removed and two inner holes were added to the new CF tower.
I'd have no objections at
all, in fact, I ran most of this past year in just such a "0"
hole myself. Look carefully at my X - 6 from Belgium and you can
count the stock four holes in the old molded tower, and my shocks are
definitely in.
Hope that covers everything! Glad to answer your questions, let me
know if you've got any more.
Thanks for the info
Paul. I would appreciate a measurement of your rear camber links
when you get a chance. Lunsford sells them in .125"
increments and I would like to have a good number to start with.
Another question that I thought of as I read your reply has to do with
the extended turns of the shock rod ends. Not to pick apart
Chazz's post where he explained this earlier, but does the number of
turns extended mean turns extended or threads showing? I ask
this because if you look closely at an associated shock rod, the
threads do not go all the way to the actual shock shaft; the end is
turned down and the threads do not go all the way "up" on
the turned down section. The associated manuals lead one to
assembly the rod ends all the way to the actual shock shaft diameter,
not the end of the threads. From my experience, one needs about
two turns extended to see about one thread. In your setup, I'm
assuming you mean turns extended, not threads showing as Chazz's post
reads. Could you please clear this up? We all know what
assuming does. . .
My method is a
"back-off" kind of method. I put the shock end on all
the way - until it bottoms out - and then unscrew it carefully the
desired amount. I really go in half-turn intervals.
Once I have both shock shafts built, I use my calipers to measure the
overall length of the shock shaft and end (top of shaft to bottom of
end), and make sure its the same for both sides.
So, for example the
associated setup sheet says "2 turn ext." for the bottom of
the front shock. Does that mean you do 2 half turns since you go
in half turn intervals, or two full rotations (4 half turns)?
2 full rotations, sorry,
I should have been more clear. I simply meant that I go in half
turn adjustments, so you might see like 1.5 turns someday or something.
1 turn ext. is a full turn.
If you use the RPM
shock ends for assoc. shocks it moves the spring up on the body
without limiting up travel. I use these ends whenever I run a spring
other than the browns.
I've got the camberlink
extenders on there right now, and the turnbuckle length is 5/8"
(not counting threads, 'cause they're in the ballcups...). I
expect the turnbuckles I use when not running the E Speed parts are
around 3/4" or 7/8", but those are currently buried away. |